I'm Out of Commission for Now :(

Deb

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#1
:mad::confused::mad:

Went to boot up my gaming PC this afternoon and it will not boot and is only recognizing the CDROM as the boot drive in BIOS. Not sure what is going on. I have someone coming out in the morning to look at it but I will not be playing, at least not today. @TokyoGwB, I won't be on for Division 2 and @Kenadian, I will not be able to play Conan tonight.
 

ElektroVodka

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#3
Hey Deb, try booting with all your disks disconnected from power(just pull the plugs on them), then reconnect the power lines and try booting again.
 

Deb

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#4
Thanks @ElektroVodka, I tried it but still a no-go, someone is here working on it now, but I am thinking its the SSD or MoBo but I can't determine that until the new SSD is delivered.
 

Deb

Moderator
#5
Well, bad news, the tech guy came out and he thinks it is a BIOS version issue, like I don't have the latest version, but when he loaded it on a USB drive and tried to load on my computer, BIOS sees it as a boot drive but won't load it. So he says he has a sent a request for a specialist and they are going to reschedule. Guess I'll head to the lakehouse and get my other PC as I am not sure this is going to be resolved without a rebuild or buying a new one. :(:(:(
 

Kenadian

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Site Admin
#7
Do you know if he reset your BIOS to defaults by any chance?
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Typically your Mobo doesn't require the latest BIOS version just the factory default it shipped with.

Updating your BIOS will add compatibility, fixes, etc., but are not usually mandatory unless you're trying to run something your Mobo didn't support when shipped.

Since your Mobo shipped with an M.2 port and ran fine with it for a while I'd assume the original BIOS version should run just fine.
 

ElektroVodka

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#8
Yeah, if it were what he said it wouldn't have worked the very first time you plugged that drive in.
With such an odd explanation by the tech, it must be an odd problem :p
 

Deb

Moderator
#9
Well, it isn't good news :( I ordered a new SSD and put it in and the mobo didn't recognize it. So I think I have to conclude there is an issue with the mobo. So I guess I have to decide whether to try to find another Mobo, perhaps by contacting ASUS or just buy or build (or really have someone build) a new machine. I am leaning toward a new machine since the current broken one is over 4 years old. I brought the lakehouse computer home and in the process of getting it loaded here, so at least I can play for now.
 

Kenadian

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Site Admin
#11
@Brainling has an AMD gaming system and loves it.

Personally I own Intel because games still don't take advantage of the 32 gazillion cores AMD offers and i9's were still king in Gaming performance when I purchased.

I look now and 4 of the Top 5 recommended CPU's are AMD.

My next CPU will be AMD but that's because I'll be streaming, recording and doing a lot of video rendering on it.
 
#12
AMD is better value, full stop. Intel is still the top end of single threaded performance, but the margins are razor thin now. We're talking ~5% delta in most cases. In any sort of multi-threaded workload AMD tends to win pretty handily at all price points right now.

As an example, the new Intel i9-10900K is ~520 USD for a 10 core/20 thread part. For ~425 USD you could get the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X which in pure, raw single threaded performance is about 5% slower than the 10900k but it's 12c/24t instead of 10/20 and 20% cheaper (or better if you get a deal). With modern gaming above 1080p you will barely if ever even notice the difference in raw single threaded performance because you're going to be GPU bound in most cases (e.g. the bottleneck will be your graphics card not your CPU). The only time this isn't really true is gaming at 1080p at very high refresh rates which I'm fairly sure none of us do here because we're all either on monitors that are 1440p+, running triples or running VR.

My system is the Ryzen 9 3950X which is absolutely overkill and silly for a pure gaming machine. I bought that CPU because it's eventually not going to be in my gaming tower, it's going to become my programming/game dev/video editing workstation when I split my machine in to two as part of moving my sim rigs in to a different room. If I were building just a gaming rig right now I'd look at the Ryzen 3900X, 3700X, 3600X or the Intel i5 10600K depending on my price range. If I really just wanted to push absolute monster frames I might consider the i7 10700K but the value proposition over the 3700X is very shaky and it's nearly as much as the 3900X for four less cores. The 10900K is basically DOA, if you're going to spend that on a high core count CPU get a 3900X because it will bop the 10900K in anything multi-threaded.

If all that is mega confusing, just tell us what you want to spend and I can recommend very specific things. Keep in mind you're going to very likely need a new motherboard and possibly new memory as part of a new CPU purchase.
 

Deb

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#14
You're right Skid_Marc_, this will be a whole new build, so new everything except perhaps the liquid cooler I can pull of my old machine and SSD if it is still working.
 

Deb

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#15
So, if I went with a Ryzen 3900X, any thoughts on mobo? For example, if I wanted to go with the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra mobo, which is reasonably priced and seems to have the ports that I need and 3 M.2 slots, I think it requires an Intel processer. So even though the Intel processor might be over $500, the mobo is only $250. If I went with the 3900X, that is $425, but the a compatible mobo, like the Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero Wifi, which is $470, you end up in about the same spot dollar wise, which could mean the AMD isn't such a bargain? Not sure o_O

Since the 3000 series graphic cards are due to come out in August, would it make sense to run my 980Ti for a couple of months with the new build and replace it in August or would that cause integration issues?
 
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Kenadian

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#16
So, if I went with a Ryzen 3900X, any thoughts on mobo? Since the 3000 series graphic cards are due to come out in August, would it make sense to run my 980Ti for a couple of months with the new build and replace it in August or would that cause integration issues?
You'll be perfectly fine with that video card until then, no problem.

Just remove/uninstall your video drivers prior to putting in the new 3000 card.
 
#17
@Deb I have the Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero (https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-Crosshair-VIII-Hero/) and I love it. I have the non-wifi verison, but there is a wifi version if you need it. Should come in under 400 dollars and cover all the features you need.

Keep in mind there was a run on X570 boards right at the start of quarantine and prices are a bit out of whack right now. I wouldn't pay more than 375-380 for the board. I paid 339, but finding one at MSRP right now is rough. Your motherboard picked the worst time to die :(

Great choice on the 3900X! It's a great CPU and will last you quite a while.
 

Skid_Marc_

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#18
If you're not ordering the new PC immediately, I'm pretty sure the new B550 Motherboards are less than month away from dropping? They're a bit less flashy, but they should be cheaper. I think they're supposed to be in the $150-$250 USD range? Maybe, when they release, X570 prices will normalize as well....

Given the weird current state of things, nothing is going to be a "bargain". Your best hope is value, and it really is the slimmest of margins between the two sides, at the moment. If you did anything on your computer outside of gaming (streaming, video editing, music production, intense spreadsheets, or programming), I wouldn't even include Intel, just out of principle. Their new 10xxx stuff makes no sense, and they cut features off the KF chips without lowering the price...

However, I'm not sure any of that really matters in your use case.

I'm not sure if you need all the cores and threads, or the bits removed from the KF chips. Being an iRacer, you'll need all the GHz you can to keep those frame rates up at Nürburgring. Unfortunately it's not as simple as comparing GHz and picking the highest, so I'd say its probably so close it's a wash, but Intel still holds the edge on FPS for CPU-strapped games, like iRacing, albeit by the smallest of margins...

Intel
i7-9700KF; 8 cores/8 threads @3.6 GHz (4.9 GHz Boost), $390
i9-9900K; 8 cores/16 threads @3.6 GHz (5.0 GHz Boost), $520
z390 Motherboard: $250-$350
Recommended RAM Speed: 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3000, CAS 16, $160

AMD
3700x; 8 cores/16 threads @3.6 GHz (4.4 GHz Max), $300
3900x; 12 cores/ 24 threads @3.8 GHz (4.6 GHz Max), $431
X570 Motherboard: $300-$450
Recommended RAM Speed: 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600, CAS 16, $180

One thing that Matt touched on, but it makes a big difference for one, over the other; Ryzen REALLY likes high RAM speed. You're going to be upgrading to DDR4, I'm assuming, so if you go Ryzen, you're going to want DDR4 3600 to get the most out of it, which is also going to add to the price. If you go with Intel, you're not going to see much benefit above DDR4 3000. Fortunately, again, we are currently in a weird time where there isn't much price difference between them, either way you go. Whichever way you do go, just make sure the CAS Latency is no higher than 16. The lower the number, the better, and 16 is the best I could find at those speeds.

And finally, PSU. Don't overlook this! Anytime something electronic fails, I worry a lot about the PSU. It is the heart of your PC, and the most likely source for any electronic failure that may occur in your PC, so I'd really recommend replacing the one you have. Using a PSU Calculator I figure 750W should be plenty for your use. Whatever you get, just make sure it's "80+ Bronze" or better (Silver, Gold... Platinum if we're throwing all the money...)
 
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