Coming soon to iRacing (maybe?): New Cars & Series

ShadniX

Core
Not sure where to put it, so here it goes:

http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/3590757.page

With the addition of the Porsche and Audi LMP1 cars, we will be making a small adjustment to the IMSA series and will create a new endurance series called the iRacing Endurance Series.

Starting in season 2 the IMSA series will use the Corvette DP car and all the GT3 cars. The new iRacing Endurance Series will feature the Porsche 919 and the Audi R18 LMP1 cars and the two GTE cars, the Ford GT and the Ferrari 488 GTE.

We will plan to run the IMSA series with shorter races and NO team racing while the new iRacing Endurance Series will feature longer races and team racing, although we will not require a driver change.

The Proto GT series will remain unchanged for now.
Given that IMSA just has the odd DP car in top split, I seems to me like it ends up being a second BSS series with the odd DP in it. And no single driver events for the GTE cars. Granted, I still don't own a GTE car, so this doesn't effect me, but the possible thought process behind these changes seems a bit strange to me.
 

Brainling

Hardcore
I mean, they don't require a driver change...but no GTE cars in a series that's not endurance length? Not a fan. It effects me A LOT since GTE cars are my primary drive, and LMP1 cars are high on my list to drive regularly. So now I have to sign up for a multi-hour race just to drive my favorite cars? And why the Ford GT3? I can only guess it's a place holder until the much rumored 911 RSR releases and that series becomes 2 LMP1's, 3 GTE's and a GT3 car.

Plus the last thing iRacing needs is MORE series. We need to be consolidating and rotating series. Now they are just going to split the GT participation across another series. Just doesn't seem well thought out.
 

Nejtun

Moderator
I think you mis-read the part about the Ford Matt , ".... the two GTE cars, -----> the ford GT and the Ferrari 488 GTE<-----
" there are no GT3 cars in this iracing endurance series.
don't panic! I think there would be a major uproar if iracing left the ford 2017 out of the lineup for the endurance ;)
 

Nejtun

Moderator
That's not my main complaint. My main complaint is that now I have to sign up for a two hour plus endurance event to race GTE cars in an official series. That's absurd to me.
True. that is a major bummer for a lot of people, at the risk of diluting the player base, I would still like to see the GTE's in a "sprint" style format at the length(ish) that IMSA is currently. 2 Hours is a large commitment for races that go off every few hours but they said the IMSA races would be shorter and endurances races would be a "longer format".

I couldn't see the bit where they said 2 hours though? could it be the "endurances" are going to be similar to current protoGT length and the IMSA races down to BSS length? just wondering as I couldn't find race lengths in that post (probably just me being blind)
 

Brainling

Hardcore
They didn't say two hours, but why would you have a team based event with a driver change (albeit not a required driver change) take less than two fuel stints? How is it an "endurance event" if it's less than two hours long? We already have the occasional 75 minute race in IMSA/BSS which are not endurance events. So speculatively they need to be longer than that.

"Hello and welcome to the 90 Minutes of Sebring!"
 

Nejtun

Moderator
If we look at protoGT and current IMSA, iracing seem to have catered to as many tastes as possible so hopefully they have thought this through a little (fingers crossed!)

8 of the 12 races are normal length for that series with 4 of them being "endurance length" so people who require a longer challenge are also happy for at least a third of the events with EVERYONE being able to complete participation without having to do the races they would consider too long.

we know that they are soloable without DQ so no problem there for people who don't want to do a 45 minute stint (or whatever half the race is)

and as for the doing more than one stint? currently the normal length IMSA races are fuel tank restricted so a pit-stop is forced. the longer races like ProtoGT or IMSA at le mans allow a full tank as there is no way to run the race with just one tank so those are also catered for.

Only thing to keep an eye on (as we have had trouble with it in the past) is the amount of fuel tank they allow for each race length so it makes some sense. If the amount of fuel they allow is wrong it can be changed instantly as we have seen before the iracing forum will light up before the green flag drops so it wouldn't be an issue for more than a race or two, even better if these cars are released in week 13 so these "boo-boos" can be caught before the season starts.

Best thing is to wait and see, not too much point speculating much from the 3 paragraphs the iracing staff put out until they actually give us some numbers.

I am hoping for the best so my dreams can be shattered like a frozen corpses ribcage.
 

Skid_Marc_

Staff member
Admin
We will plan to run the IMSA series with shorter races and NO team racing while the new iRacing Endurance Series will feature longer races and team racing, although we will not require a driver change.
Yikes. This format did NOT play out well for BES, which, after one season as a bi-hourly series, resulted in the races being cut back to just 2-3 races and only on the weekends. I'm not complaining about longer races, but I agree with Matt that burying your golden GTE cars inside a series like this is really dumb. There is no way that you can sustain a series that requires this much time. There are only going to be a handful of races, at times that work for 60% of the player base, and everyone else is going to get hosed. And yes, the races will probably need to be 2 hours long! The races will need to be long enough to facilitate a 30 second driver change without incurring a penalty. For GTE cars, that basically guarantees a full tank of fuel as the stops are 33 seconds. There is no way the races could be fuel restricted, or else no one would do a driver change because you'd lose so much time on the pit stop. I'm not complaining that they would add an Endurance Series, because actually that is a really good idea (albeit somewhat devaluing to the Special Events which are already over-saturated with these cars..), but this CLEARLY should not be the only way to access, what is arguably, your most popular sports cars.

I think ProtoGT would have been the logical option to be stripped down, and yet it's being left untouched? Even though it is nice having a series with one single-era ACO cars, that era is over, and iRacing series show a history of becoming less popular as the series becomes less relavent! A new ProtoGT could thrive with the LMP1, and the GTE cars. You could even throw in the HPD but you wouldn't have to. It wouldn't be 100%, but it would be close enough. GTE cars have no standalone championship, they don't exist outside of ACO multi-class racing (IMSA/fmr. American Le Mans Series, European Le Mans Series, Asian Le Mans Series). GT1, on the other hand, did. The GT1 Championship stood alone, in real life, as a single-class precursor to BSS, and it could do so in iRacing as well. The Corvette and the Aston Martin had a huge following, it was just wiped out by bad HPD drivers and the GTE's taking over as the most relevant multi-class option.

Also, side-note, as much as people don't like the Corvette DP, the reality, I believe, is that the car is still too new to iRacing for them to consider retiring it. I also think the sole reason they're taking GTE's out of IMSA, a series where those cars clearly exist IN REAL LIFE iRACING! is to end the GTE's pillaging the GT3 field, and while I get that, that also frustrates me.
 

Brainling

Hardcore
I don't mind them shuffling things around, it's just the entire idea of GTE cars only being available in an endurance series is crazy to me. Like you said, they are arguably the most popular sports cars on the service. Putting them, and the LMP1's, behind an endurance wall just seems very counter productive to me.
 

Brainling

Hardcore
So Tony already responded and said they are reading our feedback, nothing is set in stone. So that's good.

iRacing would do themselves a HUGE service by having a format to post this kind of stuff as an open forum sort of format rather than "This is what's happening, enjoy" and then the resulting crisis. Just say "hey, we are considering X and want feedback. Please keep it constructive". They'd have less heart attacks.
 

Brainling

Hardcore
Eh, I dunno. You're always going to have idiots...but framing the situation correctly matters to your customers with basic higher order thinking skills. I bet that thread on iRacing would be half the pages if they had framed it as an idea needing feedback rather than a certainty.
 
They didn't say two hours, but why would you have a team based event with a driver change (albeit not a required driver change) take less than two fuel stints? How is it an "endurance event" if it's less than two hours long? We already have the occasional 75 minute race in IMSA/BSS which are not endurance events. So speculatively they need to be longer than that.

"Hello and welcome to the 90 Minutes of Sebring!"
If iRacing is writing towards the perspective of many drivers, they might mean only 45 minutes when talking about "endurance". But @Skid_Marc_ has a good point, that it's going to be inherently stupid to do a driver change unless your pit stop is longer. And will the LMP1's pit stop ever be longer than a driver change? Maybe they'll even implement a system like Nürburgring 24H (or was it Le Mans now?) has where you are kept in the pits for a fixed amount of time. Which would have bugs in it by the way.

I don't really mind longer races in an official series. It means you can run fewer of them during the week, and it does really penalize people who don't have longer stretches of time to spend. But at least if you get spun around or you make a mistake your race isn't immediately over.
 

Kenadian

Staff member
Site Admin
iRacing would do themselves a HUGE service by having a format to post this kind of stuff as an open forum sort of format rather than "This is what's happening, enjoy" and then the resulting crisis. Just say "hey, we are considering X and want feedback. Please keep it constructive". They'd have less heart attacks.
Have you been to the iRacing Forums? Constructive is not the word I'd use to describe anything there.
 

Kenadian

Staff member
Site Admin
If iRacing is writing towards the perspective of many drivers, they might mean only 45 minutes when talking about "endurance". But @Skid_Marc_ has a good point, that it's going to be inherently stupid to do a driver change unless your pit stop is longer. And will the LMP1's pit stop ever be longer than a driver change? Maybe they'll even implement a system like Nürburgring 24H (or was it Le Mans now?) has where you are kept in the pits for a fixed amount of time. Which would have bugs in it by the way.

I don't really mind longer races in an official series. It means you can run fewer of them during the week, and it does really penalize people who don't have longer stretches of time to spend. But at least if you get spun around or you make a mistake your race isn't immediately over.
The other thing that's a potential issue is not everyone has time to practice and run longer races.

I like the way BSS did it a few years ago where they'd throw in 3 or 4 longer races every season. If you could run them it would mean more SR and more seat time but if you dropped them you could still complete a Season and earn participation credits.
 

ShadniX

Core
Well, they changed their plans. Probably not a surprise given the reaction on the forum:

http://members.iracing.com/jforum/posts/list/375/3590757.page

Hi all, I want to fill you in with our discussions from today.

Here's where we are right now:

We will leave the IMSA series alone. (WHEW!!!!!)

We are discussing creating a new series called the iRacing Lemans Series which will feature the LMP1, GTE, and HPD and will NOT be a team series.

ProtoGT will be changed to the GT Challenge Series and have GT1 and GT2 cars.

Then we are discussing adding a 2nd series (iRacing Lemans Endurance Series) which will feature the same cars as the Lemans Series but as a team series with longer races. 4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours, etc.


If this is what we choose to go with, we will set up a new forum group next week called the iRacing Lemans Series and in there we will be asking the community for feedback on an official schedule with race lengths. Keep an eye open for that.
 

Skid_Marc_

Staff member
Admin
Holy crap, the actually made an amazing call!!!

...the second time... :D

But hey, totally excited for everything they announced. GTCS will hopefully be awesome!
 

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