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S4 Week 13 (7)
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Daunt
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I like the BMW change. It didn't need a major retune - it was close... a bit better than the other cars but not too much. I'm calling it now though- you have it from me in writing - there will be a lot more Fords this season. I don't think it will take over GT3 like the BMW did but newbies will flock to it because it will be faster.
That's exactly what I don't understand for the life of me? Did they just see too many Maccas on track and decide that the slight buff was going to mean it would dominate?
I'm not even sure how they come up with 15kg for the McLaren but 10 for the BMW, where's the sense in that decision? Aren't leagues putting something like 30kg on the BMW to balance it out?
I sincerely hope their not doing all of this to get people into the Ford but my guess is that's exactly why their doing it. What they don't understand is the Ford is ugly (let's face it), it sounds like sh1t and really if their trying to mimic Blancpain it doesn't even make sense for it to be there.
Get the Ford out of there and get us some Ferrari's, Audi's, Lamborghini's, Bentley's, etc.
I think a 10kg nerf on the BMW won't amount to much really. The reason the car is so popular is it can handle virtually everything well.
It's not particularly outstanding at any one category (except stability and predictability IMHO) but it's a good all around car to be competitive on any track in the iRacing Service.
Noodleguitar
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They probably looked at McLaren lap times done with 10 L of fuel after taking away the 15 kg penalty and decided they made some kind of mistake. Yes, then it is maybe a little faster than the others. But in race pace it falls off quickly.
You're right Duke, MoE for example added 15 kg to the BMW and left all others untouched. Even then the BMW was still fast over long fuel runs.
You're right Duke, MoE for example added 15 kg to the BMW and left all others untouched. Even then the BMW was still fast over long fuel runs.
Daunt
MLG Pro
Yeah I'm not sure why they're not getting some help / picking up on what the private leagues are doing because they're investing a lot of time in BoP. Is MoE doing BoP on a race-to-race basis? Or was it just for the beginning of the season? Do they adjust BoP in the Blancpain on a race-to-race basis?
rofl, put some groceries up front and the understeer will go away.All these changes to the BMW, Macca and Ford and I'm just sitting here twiddling my thumbs enjoying my Ruf's understeer
If so then their failing miserably because the Ruf is far more stable than the McLaren will ever be.
I have an easier time controlling the C-Spec than I do the 12C.
It's all about predictability and the McLaren suffers the most of all the cars I've driven to date in iRacing. I honestly believe it to be one of the hardest cars to be competitive in while keeping it both quick and clean.
I have an easier time controlling the C-Spec than I do the 12C.
It's all about predictability and the McLaren suffers the most of all the cars I've driven to date in iRacing. I honestly believe it to be one of the hardest cars to be competitive in while keeping it both quick and clean.
It's not easier to drive, just more predictable.
If I lose control in the C-Spec I know why and often times can catch it before it turns into a spin. With the McLaren I can spin wildly out of control in a situation that I never knew was a situation.
Noodleguitar
Admin
Masters of Endurance determines the penalties per round. For the first two rounds only the BMW had a +15 kg penalty, they're still trying to figure out what to do for Spa.
About the predictability of the McLaren. I agree that it is more difficult to drive than the BMW but not that more difficult. On corner exit for example you have to be a lot more careful in the BMW.
However, I don't think the McLaren is unpredictable. If I'm driving an aggressive setup then I know that turning the wheel to much will make it go slide a bit -> correction -> snap oversteer. I also know that if I put the power down too early in a slow corner I will get oversteer that is easy to correct by letting off the throttle and countersteering.
The issues in fast corners and braking in mid-corner I see simply as features of a mid-engined car. The question is, should the cars be equally as fast if one of them makes you pay a higher price for small mistakes?
That's where we'll always disagree Noel because I grew up driving big American Automobiles with V6's and V8's so I'm very tuned to there characteristics. I also think it's the reason why I was able to be a full second faster around Phillip Island after 1 full day practice in the McLaren, 1 full day practice in the Ruf and 3 laps in the BMW; I'm used to the feel.
You can say the BMW was OP and I'd agree wholeheartedly but it was and still is, very predictable.
When the BMW snaps out (which I don't think is nearly as pronounced) I'm typically able to regain control or if I lose control I know why and I can adjust for it.
I cannot do this in the McLaren because it will snap out even in areas where I've not had it snap out before. I do agree this is likely due to an over aggressive and abrupt input however in many cases it's less recoverable than in the BMW by far.
Admittedly you are a better racer than I am however that does not negate my feelings that it is less predictable than the BMW and the Ruf.
...at least for me.
You can say the BMW was OP and I'd agree wholeheartedly but it was and still is, very predictable.
When the BMW snaps out (which I don't think is nearly as pronounced) I'm typically able to regain control or if I lose control I know why and I can adjust for it.
I cannot do this in the McLaren because it will snap out even in areas where I've not had it snap out before. I do agree this is likely due to an over aggressive and abrupt input however in many cases it's less recoverable than in the BMW by far.
Admittedly you are a better racer than I am however that does not negate my feelings that it is less predictable than the BMW and the Ruf.
...at least for me.
I know this is a double post but upon giving this further consideration I came up with another interesting little factoid that is relevant to me but I'm not sure how if you guys have ever noticed it?
I've never really been a racer but I have played racing games over the past decade the most recent being Assetto Corsa.
I prefer the vehicle handling in iRacing because it feels more authentic to me, at least in the Cadillac and BMW because I'm familiar with that feel.
Prior to the SLS being released in Assetto Corsa my go to car for quick races was always the mid-engine MP4-12C (of course). I could get it around the track but was inevitable I'd spin at least once or twice in the process.
What's interesting is I've raced the SLS GT3 twice now and have had no such issues and it too is a large, front engine racecar.
I've not given any weight to what I thought were mere coincidences before but my guess is that I may always have issues with anything other than front engine cars.
It also goes a long way toward explaining why I'm quick to be competitive in the Cadillac.
Anyway, just some food for thought.
I've never really been a racer but I have played racing games over the past decade the most recent being Assetto Corsa.
I prefer the vehicle handling in iRacing because it feels more authentic to me, at least in the Cadillac and BMW because I'm familiar with that feel.
Prior to the SLS being released in Assetto Corsa my go to car for quick races was always the mid-engine MP4-12C (of course). I could get it around the track but was inevitable I'd spin at least once or twice in the process.
What's interesting is I've raced the SLS GT3 twice now and have had no such issues and it too is a large, front engine racecar.
I've not given any weight to what I thought were mere coincidences before but my guess is that I may always have issues with anything other than front engine cars.
It also goes a long way toward explaining why I'm quick to be competitive in the Cadillac.
Anyway, just some food for thought.
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